Weddings from the Pros
Episode 61 with Nathan and Preston
Wedding ceremonies that are custom-made to reflect the couple themselves are truly impactful and prove to be much more memorable. On this episode, Preston and I talk about the characteristics that make up an authentic and meaningful wedding ceremony.
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In This Episode We Cover:
- Why having a formal and informal Photo creates a wonderful memory for the couple and Family.
- Coordinating with your Photographer helps you to have that picture perfect setting.
- Why choosing the right Photographer is important during your wedding ceremony .
- Why music is important and how it sets the mood during your wedding.
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Here at Angled light photography. We believe marriage is an amazing adventure and your wedding is the jumping off point. We'll explore planning an authentic and meaningful wedding experience as we connect with real life couples and the industry's top professionals. We're here to inspire and encourage you as you begin this journey of a lifetime. Hey, what's up everybody? This is another episode of weddings from the pros. My name's Preston bailey. I'm here with Nathan at the angle light studio here in Greenville south Carolina and today we're gonna be talking about ceremonies, the main event. Yeah. We need to get some sound effects from rick ross every time we drop a bomb up with some, we'll just, yeah. So what we've been doing is we've been like kind of dissecting the wedding day a little bit and kind of giving you tips and little pieces of advice from a photographers and filmmakers perspective things that most couples probably don't think about, but hopefully this will help you when you're designing your wedding. So yeah, after the last few episodes, we did one on the getting ready part of the day. We did one on like formal pictures and formal photos with family and with the wedding party and the next part is going to be the ceremony itself. Yeah. The reason why everyone's there. Love it, Nathan. How many, like both business and pleasure. How many wedding ceremonies do you think that you've sat through? Probably less than you think. So like it's interesting. I actually got to photograph the wedding of another photographer And this guy had photographed. I think he had estimated like 250 weddings. Like he had been a part of a ton of ceremonies. I really admired him for that. Like, you know, comparatively speaking. Like we haven't photographed nearly that many, right? But we've been a part of a lot. And I think what's interesting is that when you get down to it and you start looking at the ceremonies that you walk away feeling like there was something really amazing that just happened right? There's some characteristics there that are really similar among them on the topic of common characteristics of really meaningful ceremonies. Is there anything that kind of jumps out at you? Like in your experience being at wedding ceremonies. Is there anything that, you know, you kind of go into it expecting or hoping would happen when it comes to the ceremony? Yeah, sure. I mean it's been a lot over the years because I don't know if, you know this actually, before I started filming weddings, I was playing music and weddings and kind of classical guitar. So I got to experience a lot of weddings in the early days, like starting in high school even playing like finger style guitar. So, I was attending weddings even from the early days. So it's been a bunch of bunch of, bunch of them, seen a lot of really short ceremony is a lot of really long ceremonies, but I guess I would say that, you know, the ceremonies that I feel like I enjoy the most are ones that feel like and this is kind of part of the angle like ethos of how we think about weddings, It's just ceremonies that seem to authentically reflect the couple themselves and just be a nice fit, right? Like obviously there's a lot of tradition that happens in ceremony. There's certain elements of the ceremony that you kind of expect to be there. But most of like the really special ceremonies, the ones that stand out in my mind at least are ones where the ceremony was kind of custom crafted for the couple, whether it's adding in specific traditions or having the officiant read material from meaningful art or literature or whatever. You know, that might be whether it's a religious text or otherwise. But like the more personal ceremonies tend to be the ones that stick with you. Right? Yeah, It's, it's the truth. And it's funny because I think just within this past wedding season, a great example of this would be, you know, we had, it was at zen, downtown Greenville, zen beautiful venues outdoors and they had chosen to have their music that they're walking down the aisle to and it can impact mais Star Wars. Yeah. Like I think that that's one of those things where you're not infringing or changing their tradition necessarily, especially if that means something to you and you want to have that tradition, you want to have those ritualistic things that happen in ceremonies. But it's like inflicting just a little bit of your personality, right? It's putting a little bit of who you guys are and what the things that couple really values and they really love into the ceremony. And I think if people did that more often and it doesn't have to be just changing the music. But if people thought about that more often, it's like, what creative ways could I like make this more us, you know, make the ceremony more us. I think the more meaningful the ceremony would be to the couple first of all, but the more honestly fun and entertaining it would be for, Right. Right. Because we've all been two wedding ceremonies before. So the more that you can tailor it to really who you are, the more interesting and authentic. It comes across as I remember when they told us that she was gonna be walking down the aisle to Star Wars. Like in my mind, I'm imagining like the empire marks, like the tubes and all the marks. Yes. But it was actually super tasteful. Like it was like very delicate, graceful like piano music and it fit perfectly, but just in this little nuance, it reflected something special to them. I thought that was great. Let's talk music. I mean, I think music is one of the elements of the ceremony that may or may not get overlooked, but that's like a great way to make it. That's something that's a little more personal to you and obviously, you know, as a musician, like that's usually the thing that I come away from a ceremony enjoying the most, being moved by the most is having really well selected and well performed or you know, well played and well timed. Yeah, totally. Like the flow of the ceremony and and how you incorporate music, I think can make a big difference to kind of reinforce the natural emotion that's already in the room, you know, for us, really special occasion like that. It's really interesting. You and I both come from a musical background, I was a music teacher for 10 years and you basically grew up playing music in a very, very big way, like, it was a big part of your life and your incredible, like I was just listening, you were showing me some music this morning that you had recorded back when you're at Clemson University with some friends and like, incredible, like, you're such a great musician, I think I practice a lot because if you saw me play sports and you'd be like, oh, that's why he's a musician for sure. But you know, what's interesting is that music in the entirety of humanity, right? In the entire history of man, the history of humanity. Music is always coincided with celebration, right? If there's something special or big that happens in a person's life, there's always music that kind of goes along with it is a special part of it. And it's interesting like, you know, everybody kind of knows if you want to think more traditionally. Like even weddings have like the traditional march, the wedding march that you march into. But even like birthdays, everybody sings happy birthday, like that's a tradition that happens around a big moment in people's life, right? I think you'd be hard pressed, anything that's big and happens on a regular basis, christmas, like we have a very special songs that have been crafted around the theme of christmas and what christmas means to people and that, you know, we talked about music that stands the test of time, like those are things that stood the test of time. So it's just funny, like you think about it in most every major event that happens in a person's life music plays a big part. Right? So just going back to your point, I think it's a really good point to make, which is, don't overlook the music, right? See if you can make it personal, just out of curiosity, like do you have a preference on live music versus for the ceremony? Like live music versus like recorded, I mean, I've seen amazing ceremonies with both categories of music. I have had some really, obviously when you introduce live musicians, you introduce variables, you introduce maybe some degree of liability in the sense that you can't control that quite as well as maybe a recorded track. So there's that element to consider. But overall, I think, you know, choosing the selection of the music and how loud it's being playing and kind of curating that side of it makes more of the difference, right? Than whether or not you are going to hire musicians to be or, you know, have friends to come be a part of it. 100%. You know, the other thing talking about wedding. So like, once you get the music locked down and you kind of figure that out and you reflect on that and you kind of think with your with your partner, you know, like what's going to be meaningful for us, Like whether the selection there's gonna be meaningful for us and what do we like, you know, thinking about your officiant. That's like another thing that I've noticed as a photographer and I'm sure we talked about this for you as a filmmaker, have noticed it makes a big difference. It doesn't necessarily like there's no right or wrong here. Right? Again, it kind of goes back to who the couple is and what they value. But we have noticed that it seems to be when the officiant knows the couple on a more personal level, you know, it seems to make a gigantic difference. It's definitely a totally added special element to, you know, because this is a person who's kind of emceeing the whole ceremony, right? You may have other people reading scripture playing other roles, right? You know, addressing the audience, but they're really kind of the main driver of the tone and the the ideas that are really at the core of the ceremony, right? So if they know you, that's like another big way to get closer to having that ceremony that really reflects you are and like what is important to you. Yeah, I've met officiant, there's really three kind of efficient in my mind. There's one kind of officiant who you kind of grew up with, who knows you intimately and can really kind of infuse the ceremony with some of the really special stories and can make kind of what's happening here more meaningful because they can provide context to the audience as to why like this is such an incredible thing because they know them because they grew up with them because they kind of know like who they were and now who they are, right. The second kind of efficient is the kind of efficient that may not know them quite so intimately, but that really works to get to know them right? And that really wants the ceremony to be a reflection as much as possible of the couple. I can think of several efficient that I know who are, I guess you would call them like a professional efficient, but that's really their mission. Their mission is to craft the ceremony to who the couple is, right? So even if they don't know them intimately, they can at least kind of provide a reflection of the couple, then the third type of officiant tends to be the least effective. That's not the right word. Like it just doesn't tend to resonate I think with everybody or myself quite as much. And that's the type of officiant that's basically like, this is the tradition. This is the rules, is what I will say, this is what I'm gonna say. And that's what I'm saying. That's what I'm gonna say and they're gonna be done right. And that type of officiant, again, there's no right, there's no wrong. Like if you're the type of couple who values that tradition, then I think that's totally okay. But what I've experienced and, and this is just me being honest, right. What I've experienced is that the couples who tend to walk away from their ceremony a little bit more fulfilled than when they walked in tends to have really thought about who they want presiding over their wedding and has made a really good choice. And typically, again, that choice is either somebody that they've known intimately for a very long time. It might be a pastor, it might be a friend, it might be a teacher who got to retain, I don't know, coach, right? Or maybe it's a professional officiant who has really worked hard to get to know them and get to know what they want and get to know how they can best present the amazing thing that's happening, which is these two people coming together in the most relevant way to them and their family and their friends. Does that make sense? Yeah, no 100%. Do you have any recommendations? And you may not, like, let's say I'm the couple and I didn't necessarily grow up with somebody who I always knew like, oh, I want this person from my faith community or you know, my uncle to marry me. Are there any like, sort of guiding tips or principles you would give to someone who is like, looking for that person to help shape their ceremony? That's a great question. I mean, I think the first thing I always say is like, think about the weddings that you've been to in the past, right? And think about those ceremonies and what's happened during those ceremonies and how that makes you feel. I would also just start to reach out to friends and family and say, look, this is what I'm looking for. Like I want an officiant who is gonna really kind of dig into us and pour into us and create and design a ceremony that's going to be a reflection of us and relevant to us and our family and our friends because a lot of times recommendations can go a long way for sure. I would then say, you know, go to the other wedding professionals that you've already kind of hired for your wedding if you've got them. You know, maybe you've already booked your venue or maybe you already booked your photographer or maybe you've already, I don't know, booked your cake artist or your florist and then I would just ask them and say, hey, you know, like this is what I'm looking for and that's the biggest thing, right? Having that conversation with your partner and knowing what it is you want because then you can go to people and you can say, hey, this is what I'm looking for. This is what's important to me who do you know that you can connect me with? I think that's a good tip in general, like leverage the network of your wedding vendors, right? Because you know, you may not be thinking about it, but like we as a wedding community, especially at least in here in Greenville, like we're all fairly well connected. Like we kind of have a little bit of a community so like don't be afraid to reach out to whoever, whatever wedding venue you're talking to and say, hey, like what do you think about it? Because for the most part, everyone that we've worked with in the wedding industry is just like eager to help, ready to give recommendations and have conversations. So if you have questions like, you know, don't be afraid to like reach out and just start asking around and shaking the bushes and then also I do want to say like if you're the couple that the ceremony is just not as important to you. Like I wanted to just like say a piece and create a little space for those people because I know for some the ceremony really isn't what the part of the wedding day that they dream of, right? Like that's not where they consider the most important part of their story being told. Like maybe for them, it's the reception, right? The celebration at the reception is what they look forward to and their story is going to be told more vividly through the toast where their family members are speaking about them and they just kind of want a simple ceremony straightforward. They don't necessarily feel like they have to go to premarital counseling with the same person who's officiating their wedding. And I think that's completely okay. Right? Going back to talking about, you know, I've seen short ceremonies and a really long drawn out ceremonies like feel the freedom to choose the ceremony that really fits what you want to emphasize about the day and if that's, you know, keeping the ceremony really, really short and sweet and you know, sharing your love for each other, making the vows and then moving on to other parts of the wedding day. That means more to you. Like definitely feel the freedom to do that. And you know, some of your guests may thank you as well, you know, for not having this a super long drawn out ceremony. I mean, I think, I think it's such a killer point. Yeah, 100%. And I think that it does kind of go back to the bigger issue of sit down with your partner and I know I keep saying this like this is like a common thing. I say over and over and communicate, but like sit down with your partner and do ask yourself why and ask them why? Like why do we want to have a ceremony? Because you don't have to write like a wedding doesn't have to have a ceremony or you could literally just sign the papers, right? You could go to the courthouse, signed the papers and then just have a party at the end of the thing. I mean, you know, totally, I did a wedding last week, I shot a wedding last saturday and that was the exact situation. They wanted to elope and go to charleston and get married by the beach because the ceremony was just for them and they didn't feel like they needed to share it with anybody. And then a couple weeks later or a couple of months later or whether they came back and threw a big party and that was how they wanted to have their ceremony was just intimate. You know, and so we, you know, we love elements, we love small, big, you know, long short. It was, it was cool to see that they were just as thrilled with how their whole series of wedding events went down as the folks who have the big classic traditional wedding at the firm and chapel, you know? Yeah, that's such a great point because like I agree with you the small weddings that we've ever done. Like I've, I've done several backyard weddings. I can honestly tell you that I walked away from those feeling like the couple just had the time of their life, you know what I mean? Very sweet. Yeah, very sweet, very small, very intimate. They really spent quality time with the people that means the most to them in the world. Like I think that this is kind of like a, maybe a dust statement, but obviously the size of your wedding doesn't matter to the quality of your wedding, right? But to take it one step further what you're actually choosing to do and not, do you know, at your wedding really doesn't necessarily mean it's going to be a better or worse wedding that again, that does not affect the quality of your wedding. I think a person's wedding needs to be what they value and what they think and what they believe totally. And if it's not a ceremony then it's not a ceremony. I'm thinking through my head like kind of a list of like what are all the variables for the ceremony that you choose, right location length, who's officiating the music. I'm trying to think of what we haven't talked about. I know there's a lot of traditions that are typically, you know, like maybe symbolic rituals or things that are important, whether it's taking communion with your new spouse or you know, lighting a unity candle. Have you seen anything in a wedding ceremony that really struck you, another feature of a ceremony that maybe you hadn't seen before? Yeah, Dude, there's been a lot. So like if you're talking about like pouring of the sands in together, it doesn't have to be the braiding. Yeah, there was one that was, there's a couple, like, one was really, really cool where they had buried a bottle of bourbon. Oh yeah, you told me about this. I wasn't at that wedding. Yeah, that was a cool one. Like they had buried a bottle of bourbon and they were going to go dig up the bottle of bourbon and have a shot from the bird. Like that was super cool. But they didn't, they didn't bury it like a week before. It was, no, no, no. Like they buried it when they proposed it was the night of their proposal. Right? So they proposed they grabbed a bottle of bourbon from their cabinet and then they went and they buried it and the intention was, hey, you know, on our wedding day, we're gonna dig this thing up, We're going to celebrate this journey that we're about to go on, which is like planning our wedding and bring everybody together and like all that kind of stuff. I thought that was really cool. Yeah, if you had tried to explain that as part of a wedding ceremony to someone. I mean, I don't really know how the times have changed as far as wedding culture because I'm, you know, only six or seven years into the circuit. But I mean if you had tried to explain that to someone 30 years ago when they have looked at you like you're crazy. I guess it just goes to show that like there aren't any rules like do something cool, like really sit down and like have fun with it because that's like an awesome story. Obviously, you know, bourbon is a huge win and they get to have this like, special thing that they share together. I think that's really cool. And I think there's a lot of opportunity even within the ceremony, which maybe feels like, oh, it should be this way, it should be more traditional or you know, there's some sort of like a prescription for how ceremony goes down. There actually aren't any rules, you know, and you can do what you want and adding fun creativity and flair all over the place. And I think probably the last tip that I would leave you with and again, there's like tons and tons of stuff that we could talk about, but the last tip that probably is going to be the most impactful is thinking about your location, like where you're at, you know, I think that that's big. We have been, I think both of us have been a part of weddings where they chose the venue to have the wedding outside and if they had known that it was going to rain that day and they had to bring it inside that they probably would have chosen a different place. Right, totally. So I think thinking through that and not hoping that it's not going to rain, but really truly being okay with knowing hey, if it's going to rain and we can't have this thing outside in the beautiful field or pastor or on top of this mountain that with this incredible view, whatever the situation is or on the beach, if we can't have it outside, then I am perfectly okay with having it inside this venue, wherever that is, you got to make peace with your rain plane because I mean it just, it just rains a lot. Like we're in the southeast, specifically just this season, we were a part of two weddings together. They wanted to have it outside and then they ended up ended up raining and the wedding planner had to call an audible and bring it inside and so they ended up having inside. What's really interesting though is that? And I just want to give you a little piece of hope right and just, and just a little bit of encouragement, both of those weddings where that happened at the end of the ceremony, the couple really, really seemed okay with it. Like it was, they didn't want to bring it inside, they wanted to have it outside, but they knew that they couldn't, but at the end of everything, like once it was all said and done, it was still an amazing experience and an amazing ceremony in both those cases and I feel like, you know, when they walked away from it, they walked away realizing that where is not quite as important as what, who or who, who you're married and that's what we look for in couples here, an angle light too is like couples that really are in love and they're excited about the marriage more so than the wedding and I think that attitude will iron out all sorts of little tiny problems that will inevitably show up in your wedding tree, right? Like nothing is ever going to go perfectly, you know, like that is kind of the cement the glue that like ensures they're going to have an amazing wedding day, rain or shine truth. That's such a good point. But you know, at the end of the day, I can't agree with you more. Like I think it's interesting, we start this off by talking about ceremonies and now at the end, I'm kind of thinking to myself maybe ceremonies isn't for everybody, you know, like maybe there is the people out there, like you said that were, that you were trying to create some space for that says, you know, just because most people do it this way. It doesn't mean that everybody should do it this way. And I think there's a lot of beauty and people being themselves and designing what is a very, very special day in a way that suits them and who they are and what they want in life, You know what I mean? Yeah. Like if I was guiding someone through planning their ceremony or any part of the wedding day, this applies, this philosophy applies, but it wouldn't be take the standard, take what you feel is expected of you and start tweaking things here and there. I would say white the slate clean ask yourself like big questions like what is the most important things to us and build everything around that, you know, what do you believe about marriage? Right? Like what do you think the institution of marriage is? Right? Because that's going to help you take leaps and bounds towards the direction of the type of ceremony that you're actually wanting to have, if you're looking at everything through that framework, once you make those decisions right, then when you kind of move all your decisions that you have to make, all the problems that come up and all the decisions that you have to make through that lens and through that framework, you'll find that you'll be able to make a good decision that fits you the best much quicker. If you identify what's important to you answering the question, it gets easier, right? Like figure out what the value. Let's figure out what the principle is. Okay, These five things are important, right? We want to make sure family is included in some way. We want to make sure that this is said about the institution of marriage, whether it's this is what we believe because of our faith or this is what our relationship has grown to mean. Like identify the key parts and then just let that inform all of the superficial decisions, right? Yeah, 100% that way. When you're not like scrambling around asking yourself, Okay, well why do we add this little thing into our ceremony or why are we arguing about this or that? Because we know why we're here, right? We know what our goal is to do and we know what the principle behind it is. Super cool. Is there anything else you can think of around ceremonies that is an idea that you want to present or something that you find interesting, You asked me earlier, like have I seen anything interesting in ceremonies, have you? What's been something I mean, I'm trying to think like if anything comes to mind, I did see there was another one that the, I can't remember, I talked about this before, but during the ceremony they put the two rings onto a little piece of ribbon. They tied the ribbon and then they passed around the rings to everybody who was in attendance there. So like everybody who was in attendance got to touch the rings before they exchange the rings. Everybody got to touch the rings and then it made its way back up to the couple. I thought that was also cool. Like something that's a little different and obviously like the symbolism behind that of, you know, I've seen many pastors who will look to the audience and say, you know, essentially do you approve? You know, yea or nay and that kind of thing and that, that's just a really cool way that everybody kind of gets to lend their physical touch, their symbolical support I guess to the couple in the marriage totally. Yeah, I've seen a lot of cool things. I mean some of my favorite moments and weddings times when I'm just like overwhelmed and I'm reminded like just how important weddings can be for people is during pieces of music. Right? Like again, I'm going to go back to that and whether you want to invite your audience to sing with you all together, a song or whether it's a performance made by someone who's special to you. Like those are the moments that I think back and I just, I'm like, wow, Like this has a lot of meaning, you can tell the couple like sincerely love each other deeply. I mean I think the music has the potential to really elevate the ceremony. I'm trying to think, like, obviously we've been talking about this kind of from a 30,000 ft view, trying to think if there's any just like, technical specifics that I feel like people really need to know when planning. Yeah, it's interesting. I don't think so. I mean, you know, like little things like, I really appreciate it when they make it a point to have the officiant mention something about phones, photography, tablets, that sort of thing. Like, during the ceremony, unplugged, you know? Yeah, obviously, you see a lot of that because, you know, you'll see phones out at weddings even still. That's something obviously as photographers, like, we really appreciate it. You know, not that it's something that we're militant about by any means. I think remembering to ask your audio professionals if they can have a clip on lapel or level your style mike as opposed to handle mike because the officiant isn't inevitably going to be having to hold a book that he's referencing throughout the ceremony, like that can help things go smoother for sure. Yeah. One thing that is nice and some officiant are really good about it, but I would say most of them don't or forget to is that when you do the first kiss, if you can have the officiant step to the side. When they have this is a pro tip y'all, this is not something that always happens. But, but like, if the officiant can step to the side that way, when, you know, in the photo of y'all's first kiss, you don't have somebody behind you. You know, you get a much better shot just because it's not, you know, we try not to manipulate what's happening in on the real wedding day for the sake of the photo op, but thinking about little things in advance can make it easier for your photographer to do great work. Another thing is like, considering the amount of space that your bridal party has to stand versus how many people you invite to be in the bridal party. Like all of those, like think about those little logistical details, Obviously I'm not advocating for over planning, but thinking about kind of where people are standing, is it going to look good? Like put yourself in the mindset of a photographer too, if the photos coming out kind of technically perfect is something that's important to you. Like that may be a good thing to sit with your coordinator and ask, you know where somebody can be standing kind of have a game plan because planning ahead, obviously it's not what's really going to make the magic, but planning ahead can save a lot of stress on the wedding day and ultimately, when you get into your dress or into your tux on the wedding day, you don't want to be thinking about little logistical things. So doing your due diligence, doing the planning ahead of time and thinking about all those little tiny things like maybe we have a sign to say, ask people not to have their phones their or whatever little thing, you're trying to control, doing that ahead of time, having a plan and doing the work with a great coordinator can make a lot of difference so that you can be in the moment just appreciating your wedding day because there's going to be so much going on and it can be easy to kind of get lost. So yeah, the more you can, I don't know those little details that would say beforehand, so that when you get to the wedding day, you don't have to think about anything. But being with your friends, family and fiancé now, spouse, I think would be a great way to go into it here here. I could not click our coffee, we're toasting coffee. Hey, we just got a new coffee maker here in the office. So we have been just absolutely putting it down. I literally could not have said all that better myself. So guys, hopefully you're able to pull something really, really good out of this. This time we were talking about ceremonies. Again, this isn't meant to be like every little detail that you should think about for your wedding, but hopefully it's going to present to you just a few ideas, a few things to kind of mull over to think about and probably more so than anything. Good questions to ask yourself. That's always my ultimate goal, is to maybe present some good questions for you to think about and for you to talk about with your partner, I think that's really, really important. Speaking of good questions, I would be absolutely thrilled if somebody listened to one of the podcasts and had a question about something we didn't address and they send us an email or they, like, tweeted at us or we don't do twitter, but if they send us a message on Instagram, like we absolutely would be happening. We're just kind of talking about the things that come to mind as far as what strikes us as important. But if you have questions, like we obviously we kind of, live weddings were constantly and then we love talking about them, so we'd love to help if you have just little things that, you know, you want consultation on, like, feel free to reach out to the studio and I both are open to chat. So 100% yeah, the next episode that will put out will be on, because we already did the formals. So I guess it'll be kind of the dinnertime slash reception, That's probably gonna be a long one, I suspect our episode on, there's a lot going into the reception. And also I do think that the reception is one of those things where it takes the most thought to get all of the elements to create the ambiance that you're looking for. Like there's more tools at your disposal to create the atmosphere in a reception that may or may not be unexpected or you know, Yeah, I can't agree more. And then we'll probably do one last episode just like miscellaneous things because we really haven't talked about like timelines and those kind of things, but it would probably be good to kind of mention some of those things that, you know, maybe we do like an episode on like the pitfalls that we typically see it. Oh, well that's a Clickbait title right there will get a lot of YouTube YouTube views on that. 10 things that will make your winning a total disaster. Oh, with that guys, thank you so much for listening. Do you want to carry us out. Preston? Absolutely. Well, yeah, thanks for tuning in and listening to us chat. It's always fun to hop in here with Nathan. So we hope that you've gleaned a little bit of wisdom from this. Have a great week and we'll see you next time. Take care here, angle life photography, we believe marriage is an amazing adventure and your wedding is the jumping off point. 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